Podcast: Episode #30 - Clint Bodungen: Cybersecurity Simulation As A Video Game, With AI Adversaries

August 31, 2023

About Clint Bodungen: Clint Bodungen is a distinguished industrial cybersecurity expert, celebrated public speaker, accomplished author, and a trailblazer in the realm of cybersecurity gamification. With over 25 years of experience in the field, he has left an indelible mark as the Founder, CEO & Chairman of ThreatGEN® Red vs. Blue. A veteran of the United States Air Force, Clint is renowned for his expertise in industrial control systems and operational technology cybersecurity. Notably, he authored the influential book "Hacking Exposed: Industrial Control Systems" and the forthcoming "ChatGPT for Cybersecurity Cookbook." He envisions transforming cybersecurity education through gamification, as showcased in his groundbreaking product, the world’s first online multiplayer cybersecurity game, ThreatGEN® Red vs. Blue, aimed at imparting practical cybersecurity skills. 

In this episode, Aaron and Clint Bodungen discuss:

  • Integrating gaming AI and machine learning for predictive risk management in cybersecurity simulations
  • Advancing cybersecurity through game theory, predictive analysis, and AI-driven risk mitigation
  • Building a living risk assessment system for OT cybersecurity
  • Large language models, quantum computing, and training for a superhuman future

Key Takeaways:

  • Using a powerful combination of gaming AI and machine learning, ThreatGEN's platform creates a dynamic, strategic cyber range that not only simulates realistic attack scenarios but also empowers users to predict and mitigate the most probable attack vectors, ultimately transforming cybersecurity into a proactive, AI-driven risk management endeavor.
  • Unlocking the potential of game theory and machine learning, cyber security enters a new era of real-time risk analysis, predictive modeling, and realistic training, paving the way for effective decision-making, optimal resource allocation, and proactive defense strategies.
  • Leveraging specialized large language models and AI can revolutionize cybersecurity in OT environments, enabling dynamic risk assessment, active change management, and predictive analysis, creating a living risk profile for informed decision-making and enhanced security.
  • The convergence of large language models and quantum computing holds both exciting potential for solving complex problems like diseases and understanding the universe, as well as concerning implications for accelerating cyber threats and destructive capabilities. 

"We're nearing the ability to solve every disease, find the secrets of the universe, and finally determine whether or not we're living in a simulation or not. But, at the same time, I guess that also brings with it terrible destruction, right? We are also accelerating the ability of nutcases out there that want to destroy the world, you know, the accessibility and the speed at which they can develop something purely devastating." — Clint Bodungen

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